SPN 5.5 (and s5 so far)
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fannishlissIn this meta I talk about why Sam and Dean's emotional responses in 5.5 are pretty credible to me.
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blackjedii for her meta, which got me going. :)
A lot of folks have talked about why, in terms of its Monster and plot details, the episode was a mess. Emotionally, though, I think it was spot on, because the events of s4 are way too big and emotional for either of them to be "over" it.
When, for example, Sam overhears the remark that Dean makes on the phone about "who started it" he immediately thinks Dean means him, which is REALLY probably not what Dean meant -- it is very much unlike Dean not to take his share of the blame, which we know he shoulders because of what he says at the end of the ep.
Dean has been very withdrawn from Sam emotionally all s5 so far, and I think fans are just not able to deal with seeing a still blustery, still sulky, and still over-reacting Dean in 5.5. It is the very same Dean from 5.3, and not that much has changed inside his head.
The way I see it, just use 5.4 as a barometer of Dean's mindset. Dean14 is the same Dean who spent 40 years in Hell and then had his brother back for about 9 months, only to find out Sam had been deceiving him that whole time. Cut to five years in the future? and we have gutted, cold, mostly gone Dean14. ..... SO THEN, I think you really have to read present Dean in that same light: Dean09 is on the road to becoming Dean14, and he sees that, so he's trying to get Sam back -- or rather, he's trying to get to a place where he can let Sam back in. I don't think it's right to expect Dean to have the emotional tools necessary to forgive Sam --which he's already admitted. I have to applaud him for trying. And don't get me wrong -- I personally don't condemn Sam at all for his attempts to use the powers at his disposal, from his perspective (admittedly skewed by the psychoactive effects of the blood) that he could really save Dean and save the world on his own -- and I'm really glad Dean also got to a point where he could admit that killing Lilith was not a bad thing in and of itself.
Not from my perspective-- because I admire the Sam from mid s3 and onward who is trying to become the Hunter he is capable of becoming -- but from Dean's perspective then, What is so unforgiveable that Sam did? Isn't it so, painfully, tragically obvious, yet, people don't seem to really talk about it.
Dean spent 30 years on the rack, desperate trying to hold out, to not become a demon, and then he finally broke, and got down off the rack, and was pretty much a demon. Do people not get this? Dean was searching his own reflection in the mirror in early s4 because thought he would see black eyes, because in Hell, HE WAS A DEMON. I think one reason he couldn't remember at first, was because when Castiel pulled him from perdition, he purged from Dean whatever being demonic is (which helps explain what was "missing" from Dean). Dean eventually even remembers how much he enjoyed torturing the other souls he put on the rack. I don't mean to downplay any well-argued psychoanalytic approach to understanding Dean as a torturer, but really, it was just that Dean broke and became a demon. He took up his position as a part of the machinery of Hell. And that's where he would have stayed too, if Castiel hadn't pulled him out. So now, he's got memories no human being should ever have to cope with, memories of his own blackened soul revelling in the tortures Alastair taught him. He was good at it (we can even see how talented our own true, beloved Dean is at singled-minded violence) and he enjoyed it. Because he was a demon.
Given that that we all understand this, how can Sam's choice to drink demon blood, on purpose, of his own free will, to deliberately unleash and foster his own demonic parts, ever be forgiveable to Dean????? Intellectually, what Sam was Trying to do, Dean Gets. He's said that a couple of times. But emotionally? no. Those loaded moments when Dean calls Sam a monster? are coming from a man who went to Hell and became a demon WHICH IS A MONSTER, so Dean is speaking from his own, horrifying, experience. If Dean could have done anything at all in s4, anything, he would have tried to convince Sam not to deliberately activate demonic powers within himself. Because Dean was THERE, he remembers it, and it is beyond words how terrible it was.
Cause it's not the thirty years on the rack that hurt Dean so badly -- it's the ten years he spent revelling in the horrors Hell taught him to enjoy.
And then he's supposed to be able to forgive Sam this? Not only to "choose a demon, over your own brother" but that Sam embraced, with open arms, what being a demon IS?
In 5.4, we had a terrible glimpse of what Dean could become-- the man who was a demon for ten years, and who, in 2014 has been back on earth for just six. He is cold, ruthless, hollow -- and oh, yeah, an expert torturer.
It's this glimpse of himself, combined with horror at the thought of Sam left alone to succumb to Lucifer, that turns Dean back to the path of forgiveness that he was having so much trouble with in 5.2 and 5.3. He has realized that he HAS to forgive Sam -- to acknowledge how not just he himself, but also Sam, were tormented into their roles as bringers of the Apocalypse -- because in forgiving Sam, he can begin to forgive himself as well.
In 5.5, Dean tries his age old tactic, Hunting to Get Your Mind off of Things. But in trying to get back to the ways things Used to Be, he downgrades Sam to a rookie. Even though he jokingly called Sam the Second Best Hunter on the Planet, he hasn't really acknowledged that Sam is as much a Hunter as Dean himself is. Moreso, in the sense that Sam becomes fixed on the goal much more fully than Dean. Dean is willing to take up smaller Hunts... whereas Sam always has his intellect and abilities fully trained on tackling the Big Bad. I think Dean really, really needs to acknowledge this in Sam, not just to downplay it as "revenge" or whatever, but to see it as one of things that makes Sam a true Hunter -- no longer the kid desperate to get out of Hunting that Dean knew of Sam for so many years. After all, it was only with great reluctance that Sam took up Hunting in s1, and revenge was in fact driving, but along the way, he learned the family business of saving people and how awesome that felt. (I was sorry Dean couldn't acknowledge that when Sam said as much in 5.3.)
erinrua said that 5.5 was full of anvils we couldn't detect yet. But here goes: if it's about fallen idols, then what does that reveal about where Sam and Dean are?
The first idol is James Dean. Is that the leather jacket wearing, fast car driving, cool yet tragic Dean? :P I personally loved the whole thing about having to crawl under the engine to get that particular vin -- for me it worked, not just because of the humor and suspense, but because it seems more likely that Dean might view the engine as the heart of a cursed car than a dash or a door which could be replacement parts from other cars, or even manufactured to spec in the case of the dash.... Perhaps Dean was assuming that the most easy to access Vin might have matched up to the vin of James Dean's car, but that the engine one, the one he believed to be the heart, wouldn't -- and so it didn't. For the collector, the body of the car might be more important, since it represents the beautiful stylized grace and looks of Little Bastard, and he hadn't even yet turned the engine over!
The second idol is Abraham Lincoln. (Now I am pronouncing it in my head with a Salvadoran accent.) BTW, it is completely believable for a non-native speaker to have much higher comprehension in the other language than ability to speak it. I know I understand Spanish to hear it pretty well, but I can't formulate an answer!! I don't buy that Dean doesn't speak Spanish. LAME. Don't forget that Sam has mastered Latin, which would go a long way towards bolstering his one year of college Spanish.... Dean really falls down in the verbal areas doesn't he. sigh. What does the idol mean though? Emancipation. I think that's a pretty important one for an ex-demon and a recovering addict.
The third idol is Gandhi. I've seen a good meta elsewhere that talked about how sad and appropriate it was that Sam has idolized Gandhi, though I thought Dean was pretty lame not to esteem a man most of the world has agreed is a really impressive hero. Dean was being pretty mean, needling Sam while the Ghandi monster was throttling him -- still, it seems like something Dean might do, to indulge in his petty streak if he thought Sam wasn't yet in deadly peril.
The fourth idol is Paris Hilton. Now really, WHY-- especially since she, unlike the others, is still alive. Is it too much to see her as the Whore of Babylon? a prominent (tho not central) figure of the Book of Revelation. I thought it was fairly obvious that the horseman of Plague was represented by the destruction of the world's population by the Croatoan virus. As the Leshi god stated all the attributes of Paris Hilton that made her so delicious, she lines up well with the worldly and fleshy sins that Babylon usually stands in for in the American accreted folk religious culture. For Paris and Dean to have such a long conversation, I think Paris does stand in for things that Dean sets up as idols for himself, especially given that he was just scamming the bartender that he was a producer.
And it was pretty awesome when for a second there seemed like a real chance for suprise!JDM. :P
Okay, so that's my take on 5.5 . I thought at the end of 5.4, when the brothers reconciled in front of the Beautiful Bridge of Idyllic Possibility, that act One of s5 had come to an end. But no, because Sam was being far more submissive than he can really sustain, and Dean was not yet as Over It and Ready to Trust Sam Again as he really needs to be. 5.5, in its clunky way, stands to remind us that the Winchester brothers may INTEND to change, but Sam's Taurean nature to charge and lock horns with the other bull hasn't gone away, anymore so than Dean's feelings of inadequacy and guilt, which lead to him trying to protect Sam by constantly watching him (5.3) or ordering him about (5.5).
At least Sam has the Knife (5.4) and the Keys to the Impala (5.5), and Dean has FINALLY gotten his own laptop. At least their three month separation led to one big improvement in their Physical Plant. shoutout to muridae-x for her really wonderful detailed timeline of how the summer 09 passed on Show). I guess we should really have know that Sam is not fully in Dean's trust until he lets him Drive. But does that mean that Sam is allowed to play Jason Manns yet? Because apparently he's gained an appreciation for Jeff Beck (thanks againerinrua ) (though I prefer the Stevie Wonder and Stevie Ray Vaughan versions). "When you believe in things that you dont understand, Then you suffer" -- a likely lyric for an episode entitled Fallen Idols -- but what does it bode for Our Boys?
When, for example, Sam overhears the remark that Dean makes on the phone about "who started it" he immediately thinks Dean means him, which is REALLY probably not what Dean meant -- it is very much unlike Dean not to take his share of the blame, which we know he shoulders because of what he says at the end of the ep.
Dean has been very withdrawn from Sam emotionally all s5 so far, and I think fans are just not able to deal with seeing a still blustery, still sulky, and still over-reacting Dean in 5.5. It is the very same Dean from 5.3, and not that much has changed inside his head.
The way I see it, just use 5.4 as a barometer of Dean's mindset. Dean14 is the same Dean who spent 40 years in Hell and then had his brother back for about 9 months, only to find out Sam had been deceiving him that whole time. Cut to five years in the future? and we have gutted, cold, mostly gone Dean14. ..... SO THEN, I think you really have to read present Dean in that same light: Dean09 is on the road to becoming Dean14, and he sees that, so he's trying to get Sam back -- or rather, he's trying to get to a place where he can let Sam back in. I don't think it's right to expect Dean to have the emotional tools necessary to forgive Sam --which he's already admitted. I have to applaud him for trying. And don't get me wrong -- I personally don't condemn Sam at all for his attempts to use the powers at his disposal, from his perspective (admittedly skewed by the psychoactive effects of the blood) that he could really save Dean and save the world on his own -- and I'm really glad Dean also got to a point where he could admit that killing Lilith was not a bad thing in and of itself.
Not from my perspective-- because I admire the Sam from mid s3 and onward who is trying to become the Hunter he is capable of becoming -- but from Dean's perspective then, What is so unforgiveable that Sam did? Isn't it so, painfully, tragically obvious, yet, people don't seem to really talk about it.
Dean spent 30 years on the rack, desperate trying to hold out, to not become a demon, and then he finally broke, and got down off the rack, and was pretty much a demon. Do people not get this? Dean was searching his own reflection in the mirror in early s4 because thought he would see black eyes, because in Hell, HE WAS A DEMON. I think one reason he couldn't remember at first, was because when Castiel pulled him from perdition, he purged from Dean whatever being demonic is (which helps explain what was "missing" from Dean). Dean eventually even remembers how much he enjoyed torturing the other souls he put on the rack. I don't mean to downplay any well-argued psychoanalytic approach to understanding Dean as a torturer, but really, it was just that Dean broke and became a demon. He took up his position as a part of the machinery of Hell. And that's where he would have stayed too, if Castiel hadn't pulled him out. So now, he's got memories no human being should ever have to cope with, memories of his own blackened soul revelling in the tortures Alastair taught him. He was good at it (we can even see how talented our own true, beloved Dean is at singled-minded violence) and he enjoyed it. Because he was a demon.
Given that that we all understand this, how can Sam's choice to drink demon blood, on purpose, of his own free will, to deliberately unleash and foster his own demonic parts, ever be forgiveable to Dean????? Intellectually, what Sam was Trying to do, Dean Gets. He's said that a couple of times. But emotionally? no. Those loaded moments when Dean calls Sam a monster? are coming from a man who went to Hell and became a demon WHICH IS A MONSTER, so Dean is speaking from his own, horrifying, experience. If Dean could have done anything at all in s4, anything, he would have tried to convince Sam not to deliberately activate demonic powers within himself. Because Dean was THERE, he remembers it, and it is beyond words how terrible it was.
Cause it's not the thirty years on the rack that hurt Dean so badly -- it's the ten years he spent revelling in the horrors Hell taught him to enjoy.
And then he's supposed to be able to forgive Sam this? Not only to "choose a demon, over your own brother" but that Sam embraced, with open arms, what being a demon IS?
In 5.4, we had a terrible glimpse of what Dean could become-- the man who was a demon for ten years, and who, in 2014 has been back on earth for just six. He is cold, ruthless, hollow -- and oh, yeah, an expert torturer.
It's this glimpse of himself, combined with horror at the thought of Sam left alone to succumb to Lucifer, that turns Dean back to the path of forgiveness that he was having so much trouble with in 5.2 and 5.3. He has realized that he HAS to forgive Sam -- to acknowledge how not just he himself, but also Sam, were tormented into their roles as bringers of the Apocalypse -- because in forgiving Sam, he can begin to forgive himself as well.
In 5.5, Dean tries his age old tactic, Hunting to Get Your Mind off of Things. But in trying to get back to the ways things Used to Be, he downgrades Sam to a rookie. Even though he jokingly called Sam the Second Best Hunter on the Planet, he hasn't really acknowledged that Sam is as much a Hunter as Dean himself is. Moreso, in the sense that Sam becomes fixed on the goal much more fully than Dean. Dean is willing to take up smaller Hunts... whereas Sam always has his intellect and abilities fully trained on tackling the Big Bad. I think Dean really, really needs to acknowledge this in Sam, not just to downplay it as "revenge" or whatever, but to see it as one of things that makes Sam a true Hunter -- no longer the kid desperate to get out of Hunting that Dean knew of Sam for so many years. After all, it was only with great reluctance that Sam took up Hunting in s1, and revenge was in fact driving, but along the way, he learned the family business of saving people and how awesome that felt. (I was sorry Dean couldn't acknowledge that when Sam said as much in 5.3.)
Awesome and astute meta writer
erinrua said that 5.5 was full of anvils we couldn't detect yet. But here goes: if it's about fallen idols, then what does that reveal about where Sam and Dean are? The first idol is James Dean. Is that the leather jacket wearing, fast car driving, cool yet tragic Dean? :P I personally loved the whole thing about having to crawl under the engine to get that particular vin -- for me it worked, not just because of the humor and suspense, but because it seems more likely that Dean might view the engine as the heart of a cursed car than a dash or a door which could be replacement parts from other cars, or even manufactured to spec in the case of the dash.... Perhaps Dean was assuming that the most easy to access Vin might have matched up to the vin of James Dean's car, but that the engine one, the one he believed to be the heart, wouldn't -- and so it didn't. For the collector, the body of the car might be more important, since it represents the beautiful stylized grace and looks of Little Bastard, and he hadn't even yet turned the engine over!
The second idol is Abraham Lincoln. (Now I am pronouncing it in my head with a Salvadoran accent.) BTW, it is completely believable for a non-native speaker to have much higher comprehension in the other language than ability to speak it. I know I understand Spanish to hear it pretty well, but I can't formulate an answer!! I don't buy that Dean doesn't speak Spanish. LAME. Don't forget that Sam has mastered Latin, which would go a long way towards bolstering his one year of college Spanish.... Dean really falls down in the verbal areas doesn't he. sigh. What does the idol mean though? Emancipation. I think that's a pretty important one for an ex-demon and a recovering addict.
The third idol is Gandhi. I've seen a good meta elsewhere that talked about how sad and appropriate it was that Sam has idolized Gandhi, though I thought Dean was pretty lame not to esteem a man most of the world has agreed is a really impressive hero. Dean was being pretty mean, needling Sam while the Ghandi monster was throttling him -- still, it seems like something Dean might do, to indulge in his petty streak if he thought Sam wasn't yet in deadly peril.
The fourth idol is Paris Hilton. Now really, WHY-- especially since she, unlike the others, is still alive. Is it too much to see her as the Whore of Babylon? a prominent (tho not central) figure of the Book of Revelation. I thought it was fairly obvious that the horseman of Plague was represented by the destruction of the world's population by the Croatoan virus. As the Leshi god stated all the attributes of Paris Hilton that made her so delicious, she lines up well with the worldly and fleshy sins that Babylon usually stands in for in the American accreted folk religious culture. For Paris and Dean to have such a long conversation, I think Paris does stand in for things that Dean sets up as idols for himself, especially given that he was just scamming the bartender that he was a producer.
And it was pretty awesome when for a second there seemed like a real chance for suprise!JDM. :P
Okay, so that's my take on 5.5 . I thought at the end of 5.4, when the brothers reconciled in front of the Beautiful Bridge of Idyllic Possibility, that act One of s5 had come to an end. But no, because Sam was being far more submissive than he can really sustain, and Dean was not yet as Over It and Ready to Trust Sam Again as he really needs to be. 5.5, in its clunky way, stands to remind us that the Winchester brothers may INTEND to change, but Sam's Taurean nature to charge and lock horns with the other bull hasn't gone away, anymore so than Dean's feelings of inadequacy and guilt, which lead to him trying to protect Sam by constantly watching him (5.3) or ordering him about (5.5).
At least Sam has the Knife (5.4) and the Keys to the Impala (5.5), and Dean has FINALLY gotten his own laptop. At least their three month separation led to one big improvement in their Physical Plant. shoutout to muridae-x for her really wonderful detailed timeline of how the summer 09 passed on Show). I guess we should really have know that Sam is not fully in Dean's trust until he lets him Drive. But does that mean that Sam is allowed to play Jason Manns yet? Because apparently he's gained an appreciation for Jeff Beck (thanks again
erinrua ) (though I prefer the Stevie Wonder and Stevie Ray Vaughan versions). "When you believe in things that you dont understand, Then you suffer" -- a likely lyric for an episode entitled Fallen Idols -- but what does it bode for Our Boys?I want to thank
blackjedii for her meta, which got me going. :)
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Date: 2009-10-12 05:34 pm (UTC)Bravo! I really enjoyed it.
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Date: 2009-10-12 06:11 pm (UTC)It also strikes me that Dean can't be much of a fan of Gandhi's philosophy of Passive Resistance -- it's the very opposite of Hunting, which is more Seek and Destroy -- but if Dean will stoop to ridiculing Sam for admiring Gandhi (who is regarded by nearly everyone as a Great Man), that is so lame as to point to something really OFF about Dean's stated desire to get back on track with Sam.
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Date: 2009-10-12 08:37 pm (UTC)Yes, I agree this isn't talked about that much. I think in Hunted Dean's talk with Gordon reveals that he wants to see Sam as someone untainted by what he sees as his own failings. To see Sam choosing to be what Dean hates himself for becoming would have to seem like such a huge slap in the face, it's little wonder he finds it unbearable. And, as you said, very hard to forgive.
I think the title "Fallen Idols", like so many SPN titles, refers to a song by Iad "Dead Gods, Fallen Idols" (the song "Gandhi Was Wrong" is on the same album). I think it's easy enough to see the connection to the MotW there. Regarding the brother arc though, I think this ties in with the idea of the worship of false idols as a sign of the apocalypse, and Leshi ties that to Dean's worship of John. We don't get to see John, but had we Leshi as John would have killed Dean with John's axe.
I had been wondering why this episode wanted to kill the worshippers in the same way their idols died. It didn't make any sense that Leshi would need that to feed but clearly the writers wanted that outcome very badly, so it must have been important to them. And it seemed to me it was a very generalized message that one dies the way one lives. Gandhi and Lincoln both were murdered by opponents after achieving their greatest success. Sam died after a battle and an act of mercy, but most interestingly, during the one and only time we saw him as a leader of others. James Dean died of his own recklessness. John and Dean both died the same way, through a deal, with Dean entering into his own largely out of the guilt over John's and sense of failing his idol. So it would seem that the larger message for both the Winchesters is what Dean stated at the end of 5.04 -- they both need to learn to make their own paths, because they've already tried following their idols and it didn't work out well for either of them.
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Date: 2009-10-13 05:34 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-12 11:22 pm (UTC)I think Act I of Season 5 is in some ways the continuation of Season 4. so it makes sense that all the emotions and feelings still need to be worked through. A couple of your statements made me want to respond:
Dean really falls down in the verbal areas doesn't he.
Dean is better at patterns. He is not as strong in the verbal domain. If you follow the idea of multiple intelligence, then Dean is likely Visual-spatial or logical-mathematical. Sam, is strong in the verbal-linguistic areas. Put them together for an awesome team! :)
Dean was being pretty mean, needling Sam while the Ghandi monster was throttling him -- still, it seems like something Dean might do, to indulge in his petty streak if he thought Sam wasn't yet in deadly peril.
Probably just a way to have a little fun with baby bro. I think it was all done in the spirit of sibling rivalry.
I think our thoughts are similar in that we see the big picture of two men recovering from their personal descents into the dark side.
erinrua said that 5.5 was full of anvils we couldn't detect yet.
I always think when I am watching: "What here will make sense by the end of the season?" LOL! But, not being psychic, I usually can't tell.
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Date: 2009-10-13 05:40 pm (UTC)I love smart!Dean so it always disappoints me when he doesn't have a basic skill (like Spanish, or having memorized his exorcisms) -- but it always does seem to be in verbal things that he falls down (like not knowing the lyrics to Silent Night?!) I think it's clear that his genius lies in mechanics (keeping a 42 year old car in prime highway condition, building an emf bomb to wipe the Ghostfacers hard drive) and in his ability to train his body to perform as he expects. (How about his escape from the tomb in Jump the Shark!) ... So that Sam is always shocked when it turns out Dean has read a book -- but he has a mind like a steel trap when it comes to movies!
In this icon, Sam is in a Cage of Dean's Devising. How long will it take him to figure out how to work the lock? :)
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Date: 2009-10-13 11:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-12 11:26 pm (UTC)I LOVE that you've tied Dean's experiences in Hell into this. It fits so perfectly, and it makes it even *more* apparent why Dean is being so dick-ish this episode. I still feel the writing got rather heavy-handed for this one, but as I muttered in my review, I think the disconnect it illustrated was The Point. Tying Dean's guilt and private torment over Hell is even more telling!
It also makes me wish that I'd thought of it, lol, because it illustrates something I didn't manage to get into my 5.05 review. Namely that Dean may be harder on Sam because Dean knows far too intimately what dealings with Hell really mean/are, and he's still struggling with the frustration that HE knows what he's talking about, and SAM flat refused to listen. It's like a burn victim repeatedly telling a kid, "Dammit, don't play with gas and matches," and then having to stand by whilst the kid fries his face off!
Yes, there was reason to suspend judgement and reason to suppose that maybe Ruby was working for Good. My hubby and I debated that a lot, with hubby being inclined to kick Dean for dickish behavior and give Sam (and Ruby) the benifit of the doubt.) But now that all's said and done ... it's only human for Dean to just grit his teeth and swallow a scream. It's human for him to get stuck in a mental loop of, "I warned him, I warned him, and he kissed me off as if I didn't know what I was talking about."
So, yeah. Dean was close enough to being a demon, himself, that he can't simply shrug off Sam's choices as a little "oops." You've done a wonderful job of bringing that home.
Paris as Whore of Babylon...hey, why not? ;-) Good point about fallen idols being the point. Dean was Sam's idol: no more. The rest, I think you've addressed admirably. Thanks for sharing the thinky, and YAY, that I played some small part in encouraging it. *g*
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Date: 2009-10-13 05:42 pm (UTC)Yay, I always enjoy your metas. I was just psyched I got this out in a timely fashion!
Here is my Dark and Shadowy samnruby icon
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Date: 2009-10-13 11:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-10-13 12:59 am (UTC)I have had many frustrations when reading through boards (especially TwoP) where no one seems to understand what seems completely obvious to me.
Both brothers hate and fear in each other what they hate the most about themselves (as we all do).
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Date: 2009-10-13 05:46 pm (UTC)I am afraid of boards like twop and so I don't go there! :)
I think that in many ways, s4 was so complicated and had so many reveals that it hasn't been fully processed yet.
For example, Where is Anna?
And whose angel-killing blade does Cas have?
And, what Sword is that Dean is wielding?
SO MANY FUN QUESTIONS!!
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Date: 2009-10-13 11:29 pm (UTC)No idea, but likely with whoever it was that brought Castiel back in Jimmy's shape. I remember Anna saying in 'On the Head of a Pin' that she got her human body back by pulling in some favors. Since Castiel was essentially given the same gift, it is likely it was the same being.
Likely Uriel's. When Uriel showed up at the end of 'On the Head of a Pin' he had this kind of sword. Since Anna killed him with it, she probably held onto it. Again, if Anna's body-reconstituting friend is the same being that gave Castiel Jimmy's body back then this is probably the same being that gave Castiel the sword.
Tragically, he did NOT have a sword. I thought the same thing, believe me, but after a friend of mine pointed it out I went back to check. In 'Free to Be You and Me' what Dean is sliding into his pants (hopefully into a sheath, lol ) is in fact a long dagger, not a sword.
In terms of Anna and Castiel's ally, my money is on either Gabriel or Michael. What I find curious is that we haven't seen Michael in any shape or form, yet both Zachariah and Raphael seem to feel fairly confident they can bring Dean to him.
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Date: 2009-10-13 11:40 pm (UTC)no subject
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