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title: Against a Wall
author: [livejournal.com profile] fannishliss 
pairing:  Nine/Rose
rating: nc17
warnings: none
spoilers:  none
length:  2900  words

Summary: Rose is a little more psychic than the Doctor realizes and picks up on his secret desires.

Author’s Note: [info]doctor_rose_fix  Summer '11 Fixathonprompt from  [livejournal.com profile] bird_by_snow  for Nine/Rose. "Rose gets frustrated by how closed off the Doctor can be and wishes she could know what he is thinking sometimes. After her discussion with Jack in his ship about how you have to be careful when handing over the psychic paper, she wonders if that would work on the Doctor. So one day, after an argument or something, Rose asks to see the psychic paper and a baffled Doctor hands it over without thinking, essentially granting her a pipeline to his thoughts. Except Rose gets more than she bargained for and the paper confesses his feelings or details something naughty he’d like to do to her. What happens next is up in the air (she may decide to mull it over before confronting him, or check the paper again another day), but it would be great if there was some Doctor/Rose lovin’ by the end of the story :)"

Additional Author's Note:  I'm indebted in this story to [livejournal.com profile] jessalrynn 's ideas about Gallifreyan being related to Music, as I read in her wonderful story, "Storm Song."


His back was to her but the tips of his ears shone red.  He was furious. His shoulders were like stone, his neck arched, his jaw immobile, his stride as graceful and precise as ballet. 

"May I at least borrow the psychic paper?"  Rose asked, teeth gritted.

Without a word he handed it over.

--spitfire little minx with her bedroom eyes and come fuck me mouth, savage and beautiful and brilliant, face first against the wall, begging me to do it, cover her, slide in so deep she feels it in her soul, two worlds colliding--


The letters faded, but they'd already engraved themselves into Rose's psyche.  Jack had warned her this could happen.

Shock had nearly deadened her feet.  Her pulse was pounding, her eyes so dilated she could see nothing but him, mind revolving endlessly around those filthy thoughts he'd put in her brain.

She swallowed, shook her head.  Now was not the time nor the place.  He'd warned her not to touch anything and then he'd spent almost two hours preventing her being sold into slavery when she'd inadvertently touched something worth a king's ransom.

The market guards had trussed her up, hands bound together and lifted high in the air so that she was on tiptoe, and a crowd of lascivious would-be buyers had already begun looking her over, though none of them had dared to touch her for fear of the Doctor's murderous glare.

Finally he revealed himself as an agent of one of their supreme religious leaders.  He'd been testing them for mercy, he said.  Would they fail?

Quailing before the proof on the paper, they'd bowed and untied Rose.

Now they were striding back to the Tardis, and Rose had learned much more about the Doctor's secret thoughts than she'd ever dreamed.

She spent a restless night, burning with shame and arousal, agonized by the thought of him wanting to take her as roughly as the paper had revealed. 

In the morning she shuffled blearily to the galley.  There were fresh pastries in the breadbox, and she made a cup of tea, but she couldn't even taste the sweet milk and sugar.

Hoping the Tardis would have mercy, she roamed the corridors until she found him in his quarters, showered and changed into fresh clothes.

"Doctor," Rose said.

"Yeah, what?"  said the Doctor.  He was standing at one of those old fashioned writing desks, making some sort of notations.  He slid whatever he was working on into one of the cubbies and closed the lid.

Rose blushed. "I'm sorry about yesterday.  I was stupid."

"Yeah, you were," the Doctor said shortly. 

Rose felt the heat of her face increase.  "I'll be more careful from now on," she promised, her voice catching.

"Why should I let you out onto an alien world," the Doctor growled, "when you can't even obey the simplest rule?"

His eyes were so bright, so intense, focused on her like he could see to her core, the very electrical impulses that made her heart quiver.  She would've promised him anything.

The corner of her mouth turned up.  "I'd make it worth your while," she joked.

The blood drained from the Doctor's face and the emotion leached from his eyes.  "What?"  he said.

Rose was mortified.  It was only meant as a joke.  "You, you didn't think I…" 

"What kind of a man do you think I am, Rose?  D'ye think I'd invite someone to travel with me and then make them 'pay their way'?" His face had gone from white to red. 

Rose was embarrassed by what she'd laughingly implied, but she was horrified that the Doctor would think she was serious. In a flash she was as furious as he was.   "I may be a your little savage with bedroom eyes and 'come fuck me' mouth, but that doesn't mean…" 

Rose shut up as recognition hit the Doctor's face like a slap, stunning him. 

"The psychic paper… " he whispered, pale eyes widening impossibly.  "Oh, no."

"Busted," Rose said, humorlessly. "Now I know what you really think of me."  She was appalled to hear her the tremor in her voice.

His standing desk was near the door.  As she crossed past him to get out, his hand shot out to catch at hers.

Reflexively she returned his grip.  His hand in her was ice cold, much colder even than usual.  She wanted to pull away, but something made her stop.  So she just stood there unresisting, head hanging, facing the door.

"Please, Rose," he whispered.  "Let me…. let me explain." 

She didn't turn, but nodded shortly. She waited, but he said nothing.  Just as she went to pull free, to flee out the door and pray the Tardis would lend her some quiet nook where she could cry her eyes out and wash her heart clean, the Doctor caught her other hand, then deftly turned and pressed her to the wall.  He didn't hurt her, but she knew she wasn't strong enough to pull away.

"Ah, no, no way, you're kidding me!"  Rose began, stiffening, but in a flash, the Doctor was pressed full-length against her, pinning her against the wall, his front tight as glue to her back. 

"Rose, Rose, listen," the Doctor said.  "Sh."

She was so accustomed by now to doing what he said, that she turned all her focus to listening. 

Together she and the Doctor stood, pressed against the cold coral wall of his bedroom.  His hearts were pounding hard against her.  His breathing was harsh in her ear.  The Tardis hummed quietly around them, and every so often, they could hear the eerie sound of the vortex slipping past them, as though someone had drawn a thumbnail down a piano string.

Then she began to hear something else, a low, soft, pealing that became more musical the longer she listened. 

"Doctor -- are you singing?"  she asked, surprised.  She turned her head to look at him over her shoulder, but then she realized that his throat and chest were empty of vibrations.  He was singing only in his mind -- in her mind!

She jerked but there was no room to get away from him.  "Are you trying to get inside my head?" she yelled in outrage.

"Can you hear it?"  he said.

She turned her head and he was right there, a soft smile creeping up on his face.

"You can hear it?" he asked again.  

"Yeah!" Rose said, eyes flashing angrily, "stop it.  You can’s just mess around inside a person’s head."

"I'm not," he said, his sweet smile broadening.  "You're picking it up, out of thin air or the like."

"You tryna say I'm psychic," she said, voice thickening with scorn.

"A bit, yeah, so it seems," he answered lightly.  "Pretty inconvenient for me, really, you picking up on my private thoughts like that." 

"But Jack said that might happen!"  Rose said. 

"But Jack's also psychic!"  the Doctor said overly slowly.

Rose was undeterred.  "So? So what!  You just want, you want to fuck me against a wall," she said hotly. It was all a bloody mess.  Was she meant to be furious, outraged that he'd taken her joke for a proposition of trade?  or flattered, that a Time Lord could be attracted to a stupid little ape?  She did want him, she couldn't deny it, but not at the expense of her own self-respect.

"I do, Rose," he whispered. She could hear the tremor of emotion in his voice, and his hands on hers were like ice.

She froze.  "What?"

"I want to," he said.  "I'm half mad with it.  Every minute of every day.  I don't even sleep, maybe one hour a night, but most nights not even that since you've been around."

His words set her on fire.  She struggled to seem unaffected as he pushed his nose into her hair, behind her ear, breathing deeply. "You're so delicious, Rose, your scent up in my brain.  You're all I think about. So delightful, so young and full of life.  You can't know what it means to someone like me, ancient, jaded, broken --"  his voice cracked, but he breathed in again, and as he exhaled his body pressed deeper into hers against the wall. "You make me feel whole again, like I can do what's right, like I might possibly be able to do something that won't echo with horror to the end of days--" 

"But Doctor--" she protested, not even knowing what she meant to say.

"You don't know me, Rose.  You don't know what I've done, what I've become. You're right to think the worst," he said, and she felt him start to pull away.

Urgently she gripped his hands tightly.  "I don't think the worst," she said softly.  "I think you're brilliant." 

"Well, I am that," he said, shifting a little.  Then he whispered, "So are you." 

"Not really," Rose said.

"Yes, really," the Doctor answered.  "You saw it in my thoughts, in plain English: savage, beautiful, brilliant --"

"You remember, word for word, what you were thinking?" 

"Perfect total recall, me," the Doctor grinned.  "Helpful at times, not so much others," he said.

Rose swallowed.  Now or never, she thought.

"Don't you remember what else you thought?"  she said, and arched her back slightly towards him. 

She shivered at the touch of his lips against her earlobe as he breathed:  "face first against the wall, begging me to do it, cover you, slide in so deep you feel it in your soul, our two worlds colliding--"

"You say I don't know you, but I do," she said, giving herself over to him as she stood there, held against the living coral of his Tardis. "And  I wanna know all of you." 

She felt a vibration travel through his whole body at her words.  "Do it, Doctor," she said, pushing her bum out against him and grinding softly.  "Do you really want me to beg?  Cover me," she whispered. 

She'd never used that phrase before, but it was so sensual, almost animal, that it made her face burn hot.  She spoke it anyway.

"I'm covering you right now," he groaned.  "Can't you feel it?"

"Feel it?" she repeated, thinking of the times men had pressed up against her, their hardness insistent against her body.  She didn't feel what she expected. "I, uh," she stammered, unsure what to say.

"Feel with your mind, Rose, the same way you listened," he explained.  “Don’t you want to?”

Rose did want to, more than anything.  “Yes,” she said.

“If you’re sure, then please don’t move. Leave your hands on the wall, just for now, will you?”  His voice was just slightly desperate.

“Isn’t this a little, I dunno, kinky for a Time Lord?”  Rose asked.

“Gallifreyans can’t have sex without covering, and an unwilling female can’t be covered.”  The Doctor’s explanations were breathless, a bit forced, but his hands, slowly soothing their way down her arms and warming slightly as they went, gentle, thorough, and hungry, exploring her with intent and abandon.

“So...” Rose asked softly, licking her teeth. “I mustn’t resist?”

“If you do, I stop.  No means no,” he said seriously.

And then she felt it, familiar and comforting, that same current of peace and protection that seemed to flow into her whenever they held hands, except now, it was flowing all around her.   A tingling warmth caressed her skin and sank down into her muscles, leaving her energized and relaxed at the same time.

"As I cover you, my body attunes itself to the flow of energy within you.  Feel," he said, and in her mind he sang, as we align our currents of life as one being.   "You’d call it chi," he murmured.  "In Gallifreyan it's ~ ~~ ~~ ~" and he spoke a beautiful series of tones that translated itself in her mind as she listened, that energy of life that flows in harmony

Who knew Time Lords were so New Age, she thought.  “How come I know what that means if you’re not--”

“I’m linked into your sensorium.  If I were in your head, you’d be in mine as well.  And I wouldn’t do that, not without asking.”

“You could do, though,” Rose said, blushing.

“What?” the Doctor asked.

“You could.  Just ask.” 

“Well, then, Rose Tyler,” the Doctor drawled, as though every sound of her name was ambrosia to his lips and tongue, “I’m asking.” 

Rose savored the weight of solemnity and impending joy, and she wondered if Time Lords felt like this often, with their sense of the cusp of things, the heft of the inevitable moment.

“I’m saying yes,” Rose answered.

With his body’s mysterious physiology somehow linking in to hers, she thought he couldn’t possibly press any more tightly against her, but at her assent his embrace grew even more intense and intimate. His hands traced the contours of her sides, soft and hypnotic.  It felt heavenly. 

“I’m going to touch you now, Rose, okay?”  he murmured, his voice rough with passion.

“mmm, yes,” Rose said, glad of the wall holding her up, as his hands slipped under her clothes.  One hand found her breast, gently tweaking, while the other dipped below her waistband, his hand cool against her moist heat.

“Mind to mind, my Rose?”  he asked as he touched her, delicate, precise.  She could feel him trembling slightly all around her.

She didn’t think he’d noticed the possessive, but it made her smile happily. “Oh, yes,” she said.

He laid his temple to hers and slipped inside her, his words singing in her mind, sliding in deep. He begged her surrender, the gift of herself laid bare, and as she offered herself, the pleasure built as he touched with his hands and stroked her senses with his entire body.

She pushed back against him, and at last she felt the familiar evidence of male arousal, but he kissed her neck and whispered, “Not like this, not against a wall.  I’ll have you in my bed for that,” and Rose caught an image of herself spread out naked on orange sheets, his crimson coverlet thrown aside.  It was a fuzzy image, but the important thing was that it was his own imagining.

“Do you like that picture?”  he groaned, stroking her more intently. She was so wet now, his fingers slipped easily, thrillingly across their target. 

“Like it better with you in it,” she moaned, picturing for herself the lovely image of his long, muscular frame lying sweetly atop her own, fitting her perfectly.

“Rose,” he sang, but in Gallifreyan, her name was more than a flower-- it was a diagram of the birth of the Universe, exploding outward symmetrically in every dimension, colored in his head with bursts of crimson and burnished gold.

“May I go deeper?” he asked, and she wasn’t really she what he meant, but she didn’t care.  Whatever he asked of her, at this point, all she could give for an answer would be a resounding Yes.

“May I, please?” he begged.  She’d forgotten he needed her complete and unquestionable assent.

“Yes!” she replied, out loud for good measure, and like a dam had broken, he poured into her mind, filling her with the storm of his emotions. With heartbreaking joy, she heard him sing of the return of the longed for (despaired of) solace. She felt his awe, happiness, disbelief, passion, and so much gratitude that the silence in his head had finally been broken.

As he filled her heart and mind, his fingers buried themselves inside her body, still thrumming with the linkage of his energies to hers.  With his thumb he lightly caressed her, but through the connection she felt so much more. With a shout, she felt her body seize around his fingers; even her mind contracted around his. She tried to sing back his name, Doctor, inside her head, and she felt his joyful response as he sang her name, the design at the heart of the universe.

As she came back to herself, he was still stroking her, featherlight, too reluctant to let her go. He was nuzzling behind her ear, filling his lungs with her scent, repeatedly singing her name, the new name she’d never heard, that had always been hers.

“Take me to bed, now, Doctor,” she sighed.

“I’m not going to be,” he said, “exactly what you expect.”

“Really?” Rose asked, trying not to seem concerned, but she could hear the laughter in his voice.

He turned her to face him, and with a sigh, she wrapped her tired arms around him. He smiled down at her, his blue eyes fairly beaming with masculine confidence. “I’ll be so much better,” he said, and he was.

Date: 2011-07-13 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zagzagael.livejournal.com
Guh.

You are just hitting your stride in this fandom, aren't you?

Amazing stuff!

Date: 2011-07-14 06:08 pm (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose/Nine)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
Thanks so much! I really appreciate your comment.

yeah, I've been primarily a gen writer in spn.... I'm enjoyed this foray into Het and NC17 :D

It's also that i love to dig into the backstory of things, so the alien side of the Doctor really draws my imagination, and also allows for a little of the old poetic imagery to see the light of day. :)
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Date: 2011-07-14 06:10 pm (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose/Nine)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
Thanks! so glad you enjoyed.

That's my understanding of Nine/Rose: a dark chocolate coating of anger, darkness, and danger, wrapped around a delicious truffle of tenderness and passion. :D
Edited Date: 2011-07-14 06:10 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-07-13 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 10docandr.livejournal.com
You get awwwwww and guh in the same story. It was very sweet and very hot.

Date: 2011-07-14 06:11 pm (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose/Nine)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
thanks so much! I really love these characters; I just wanna delve into their heads (and sexlives!) over and over again!! :D

Date: 2011-07-13 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] othermewriter.livejournal.com
Oh my oh my so very yummy and sweet and HOT and Sighhh

Date: 2011-07-14 06:04 pm (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose/Nine)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
yay, glad you enjoyed!!

Date: 2011-07-14 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bird-by-snow.livejournal.com
Yay, someone picked my prompt!
That was lovely. Great job!

Date: 2011-07-14 06:04 pm (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose/Nine)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
It was an AWESOME prompt. so glad you liked it!!

Date: 2011-07-14 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stillbrainfried.livejournal.com
Wow. Just wow. That was so hot and poetic at the same time. Beautifully done.

Date: 2011-07-14 09:43 pm (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose/Nine)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
thanks so much for your very sweet comment! I'm glad you enjoyed it.

I saw you live in Germany. I read a little German because I studied as a singer. I am also of old German heritage --my ancestors settled in West Virginia, US, in the 1770s.

I can at least say "danke" ! :)

Date: 2011-07-14 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ms-sardonicus.livejournal.com
Oh,I loved this! You wrote their psychic connection SO well. Wonderful story! There is so little Nine love out there....thank you!

Date: 2011-07-14 09:52 pm (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose/Nine)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
You're so very welcome-- I'm so glad you enjoyed it. I had just read a wonderful story by jessalrynn so my mind was full of Gallifreyan when I wrote this (I edited most of it out) -- I think the Gallifreyan mindset enhances the psychicness.... as does the yummy alien linkup. :D

I am full of Nine Love. Plus, i just ordered The Second Coming on DVD. :) I want to follow you on tumblr, and I will, as soon as I understand tumblr. :P ...or, no, thank YOU! comments are love, as is your tumblr and your contribution to those of us who love Chris and want to continue making much of him!! :D

Date: 2011-07-15 12:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gentlehobbit.livejournal.com
Oh my.... Mmmm.... I'm very fond of Nine and Rose together, and this fic is so intense and rich, the way it moves through so many different emotions, just like them throughout Season 1.

I love the idea of Gallifreyan sounding like music!

Date: 2011-07-15 10:19 am (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose/Nine)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
your icon of Nine's O face. Now I am cackling. :)

You should def. read the Jessalrynn story I referenced, in terms of the Gallifreyan. It makes perfect sense!~!

I also really love Nine and Rose, so I'm really happy that my story seemed to be a reflection of canon. Thanks very much for your kind comment! :)

Date: 2011-07-15 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloose09.livejournal.com
This was such a beautiful lyrical tale. I liked how Rose drew out the Doctor's feelings about her, and persuaded him to vocalize and act on those feelings. You really captured Nine's intense sexuality and how Rose has become the center of his whole universe.

This was wonderfully written:
“Yes!” she replied, out loud for good measure, and like a dam had broken, he poured into her mind, filling her with the storm of his emotions. With heartbreaking joy, she heard him sing of the return of the longed for (despaired of) solace. She felt his awe, happiness, disbelief, passion, and so much gratitude that the silence in his head had finally been broken.

Thank you for sharing!

Date: 2011-07-15 10:49 am (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose/Nine)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
Thanks very much for your lovely and thinky inspiring comment! :)

I've been pondering the thing about the Doctor/Rose, and for me there's definitely that archetypal play of Eros/Thanatos, where the Doctor has become so steeped in his own destructive powers that Rose is absolutely necessary to him as a curative.

So I finally figured out, just this second, that Rose is not just a symbolic name (one of our primary names for creative feminine energy in English) -- but also an anagram for Eros. !!!

The horrible tragedy of canon is Ten's ultimate drowning without Rose (and also without his BFF Donna, who he had to mindrape/kill to save her life). D:

One desperately wants a better fix than canon provides; Ten's regeneration into the Erotically closed off Eleven isn't it. (tho, I'm just to the end of s5).

So that's why I live in Nine era. So much potential there for him and Rose to work it out and live happily ever after. :D

Date: 2011-07-15 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bloose09.livejournal.com
Well put on two fronts!

First, Ten degenerates both emotionally and spiritually due to his lack of an emotional anchor/touchstone. Nine was in desperate need of both while trying to recover who he was after his actions in the Time War. Without Rose, Nine continues to spiral into irrecoverable madness. Nine is emotionally flayed when he encounters Rose. This is why he is able to absorb her through every one of his senses and in doing so start his road to healing and wholeness. The Doctor had never been so emotionally exposed in any of his previous regenerations, as he was after the Time War.

Second, the analogy of Eros/Thanatos and Rose as Eros. I had not connected that dot before and it is perfect for Nine/Rose's relationship. It IS eroticism personified.

I am really looking forward to your future works and am glad you are lending your talent to the Nine/Rose ship.

Date: 2011-07-15 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seijuro-kasumi.livejournal.com
Wow, this was fantastic. The words became vivid images and the emotions were colorful. it was as though they weren't in the room anymore but surrounded by a universe of color and emotion all through the linking of their hearts and minds. Magical. ♥ i loved it!

Date: 2011-07-15 10:51 am (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose/Nine)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
this is exactly the type of comment that makes the poet in me Ecstatic!! thanks very much --I'm so glad you enjoyed! :D

Date: 2011-07-15 05:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] time-spectator.livejournal.com
Ah, loved it! A splendid fusion of the range, the carnal and the spirit, which both Nine and Rose evoked so vividly together. Here's hoping that makes sense... well anyway, bravo.

Date: 2011-07-15 10:57 am (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose/Nine)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
Thanks so much for your sweet comment! You've summed up what I see as my central project in fic -- reflecting an image of the perfection of Spirit through poetic depiction of the Carnal -- admittedly a lofty goal for P0rn on teh Internetz. :)

Date: 2011-07-15 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] time-spectator.livejournal.com
hehe maybe so, but I understand it. :)

There is something to be said for an original in its clearest expression. Maybe that is part of why the first season of Who and the first of "new Who" are each creative lodestones for me, however much I may love certain subsequent characters, eps, series etc. Nine was a huge deal for me and Rose so integral to the heart of it all. Certainly Rose=Eros. Seem to be thinking RTD actually said as much... hm maybe I'm just imagining it, but he likes him some anagrams (Doctor Who = Torchwood). Anyway some fic I actually enjoy more than some of the canon, dare I say, and I'd include your story here among it.

Date: 2011-07-15 01:20 pm (UTC)
ext_29986: (Wicked Clever Ten (4.07))
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
you are too kind!

I've never seen One. I recently wrote a fic with him in it, but it was all based on speculation as to his core identity. :) The DVD of select One eps is in my public library, so I'll have to check it out!

I do agree that Rose is integral to RTD's whole arc. Not to downplay Martha or Donna, but the Doctor's love for Rose helps him redefine himself when he's forgoten who he is-- and without her, he flails.

I love RTD and his anagrams. Obviously, Fob Lawd is a coded reference to the Master. :P

Date: 2011-07-15 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] time-spectator.livejournal.com
For One, 'The Beginning' DVD set is the er one to start with (do watch 'the pilot' version first). That way if it's a chore you can at least say you've seen the 1st ever eps. ;) But it's a shock coming from the new Who mind, made in a very different time, enacted live almost like a stage play with the entire show made for less money than New Who spends on lenses for one camera. Really. No love story to it. Totally different. But taken on its own in context, there is something about it... From there some things eventually improve (budget), some get worse (poor Susan) and the premise shifts about.

If there is any common ground tween 1 & 9 it's that both Hartnel and Eccleston wanted/hoped for complexity. Hartnel wanted Who to be unpredictable, enigmatic, having his own sense of morals (perhaps immoral to others), bit wily, bit remote, difficult. Not a conventional hero. Nine of course has that edge and his own sense of morals is troubled from what happened. That's just the surface, under which he can be so mercurial. There's a lot that is opposite. One was annoyed, almost encumbered by anyone, leaves off his only close companion/relation (in a terrible place really). By contrast Nine was in pain from loss, had to have cherished what he lost and needed that Rose.

Ten. Post Rose I can almost see him on a happy day, singing that short Waterboys song, 'In Search of a Rose' ("Where will I wonder and wander / Nobody knows / But wherever I'm-a goin' I go / In search of a Rose"). 'course in canon things go all epic tragic shot out of a cannon!

Ah but I'm babbling. Sorry! I'll have to read your other Who fic. Thanks for your kind re-replies. :)

Date: 2011-07-15 06:12 pm (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose "never ever")
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
I'm an old Whovian in terms of Four, Five, and a bit of Six. I definitely recognize those traits: unpredictable, enigmatic, having his own sense of morals, wily, remote, difficult, mercurial, and annoyed, almost encumbered by his companions. I'd love to hear what you think of my young Doctor in this fic:
http://fannishliss.livejournal.com/92082.html
--don't be shy if you'd like to contrast what I've done with what might be closer to TV canon; I'm curious to know if I came near the mark by deduction. :)

Date: 2011-07-15 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] time-spectator.livejournal.com
Wow I was actually reading exactly that and replied while you must have been replying here. Or one of us has a TARDIS...

4, 5 & 6? They're mega-budget by comparison! He was so much younger when he was older. Or was it... yes, something like that hehe Perhaps One would be somewhat more vociferous, indignant and stubborn than you have him, but it's close enough I can actually read it in his voice.
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Date: 2011-07-15 01:08 pm (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose/Nine)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
Thank you for your very kind words! This has been a wonderful comm to join in. Yes, I love Nine! I post here because the Nine love comm doesn't seem to be as active, but I assume there is much overlap.

I actually watched the Nine season several years ago, but I didn't have access to s2, so I was afraid to watch the finale, because I knew he was going to regenerate, and I couldn't bear the thought of a cliffhanger. :P Chris simply blew me away with such a passionate and skillful embodiment of the Doctor (I'm an old Whovian from my teenage years in the 80s, when Tom Baker was on public Tv on Saturday nights.) As you say, Nine is VERY tasty. I need more than one sexy Nine icon. :P

There was something peaceful about Nine's transition to Ten -- he knew he would still be there for Rose, and so I think there's a lot of Nine still inside Ten. With Ten to Eleven, Ten was feeling so much despair and hopelessness and denial that I think very little of him made it into Eleven (more's the pity) but I'm beginning to have an inkling of a bunny for that. :)

Date: 2011-07-15 08:24 pm (UTC)
develish1: (Nine/Rose bare)
From: [personal profile] develish1
beautiful mix of "awww" and thud inducing "guh". There's not nearly enough new Nine/Rose appearing these days, and I do so love them.

Date: 2011-07-15 09:07 pm (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose/Nine)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
I'm so glad you enjoyed it! I love them too. The prompt fest at summerfixathon was great for Nine/Rose, and I'm hoping to get a few more ideas there. :)

Date: 2011-07-16 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jer832.livejournal.com
This is beautiful. In addition to being a beautiful and erotic piece, this presents something new about the Doctor. I love when his alienness is explored, and you do it so well. "Cover her, slide in so deep she feels it in her soul, two worlds colliding." The physical and spiritual. Human and Gallifreyan. The brain and mind; body sensations and mental perception and experience. Quite a fitting description of this all. I like your take on their communion very much. it makes him that much more alien. And his "touch" much more intimate.

Have you read The Universe in Gallifreyan by northernMagic? I thought you mightfind it interesting.
http://www.whofic.com/viewstory.php?action=printable&sid=17116&textsize=0&chapter=1

Date: 2011-07-16 12:57 pm (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose/Nine)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
Thanks so much! :)

We know he's a touch telepath, and we see how important it is to him to hold hands with her.... I wanted to extrapolate to a touch telepathy that involves his whole body. A good reason for him always to wear so many layers! (thinking of Four, his previous most sensually aware incarnation, practically swaddled in cloth!)

Thanks for the link as well. What a beautiful story! I'll want to write something more about Nine and his beautiful native language, after I've thought it through a little more. I had to edit quite a bit of stray though off this story! :)

Date: 2011-07-16 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jer832.livejournal.com
Can you adapt what you edited to another story? It's obvious how much thought and time went into your understanding of his (?) psycho-physiology. I imagine your stray thoughts would be anyone else's text book.

It's relatively hard to find stories that treat the fact of his being an alien. I've got a folder on my hard drive, and this story will definitely be put there for later rereading, along with milieva's and the few others. Bloose09 is putting together fic recs in The Gutter room by room, and has just about filled a mansion. We should do the same thing for his alienness.

By the way, it's interesting that you mention Four. I keep seeing Nine as Four after the Time Lords finally found a way to force him to murder. -- Remember that amazing scene when Four stops to consider all the consequences if he put those wires together? And Nine facing the Emperor at the end. Coward always. so much in that. The clothes as armor, the manic grin that can change in an instant. The way he ached in a little boy's first crush way to show off for Romana in the Keys to Time.

Date: 2011-07-16 02:09 pm (UTC)
ext_29986: (Default)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
My edits were to improve flow for the story and were probably not all that. But I'm certainly intending to write more about the Doctor as an alien. In my other fandom, Supernatural (a very similar show in a few key respects) my stories are just as meta, but usually not as Sexy. Yay, Hot Meta, my new genre!! :D

I'm currently rewatching Keys to Time! It's been over 25 years since I originally watched it! :D He definitely is very conscious of Romana -- as a female, as another Time Lord -- more academically gifted, but not as mad/inspired -- it's wonderful to watch them interact, and to see her arrogance tempered as she grows to appreciate how special he is. HUGS FOUR MADLY. Please remind me of the part with the wires. :P Though it certainly sounds like the Four I remember and love.

This recent statement of Matt's about Chess and the Doctor's Asexuality is causing a low grinding noise to fill the room (my teeth). They've gelded him. It BOTHERS me. Cause I was just WATCHING Four play chess with k9 while Romana landed the Tardis. And it was in NO WAY asexual. !!!!!! (And it wasn't even Lalla, it was Mary Tamm. She's much more awesome than I remembered.)



Warning: Fourth Doctor Spoilers

Date: 2011-07-16 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jer832.livejournal.com
FOUR SPOILERS THROUGHOUT

First to get the KtT spoilers out of the way. I'm so glad someone is watching the Keys to Time, because I haven't been able to get it (very very expensive here) , especially someone who remembers what the Doctor really is. I remember being very angry at the White Guardian and thinking he was the bad guy... why would a good guy ask Four to take apart a living person? And it seemed that Four should have realized that. Am I remembering it wrong?

Mary Tamm's Romana is one of my favourite companions, and the Doctor certainly was trying to impress her. If the show were being filmed now, there would be much more than Significant or Longing looks between them. She was the first time I thought the Doctor was interested in a female. I didn't see that in Romana 2 except for the teasing, no smoldering sensuality (obviously the actors didn't see it for very long either), although I'm sure that if the Doctor "did it" it was with Romana.

I haven't seen anything this season but Doctor's Wife. What did Matt say? From what I remember, Four used chess the way men use after shave. That long lanky sprawl. hmmm.

The show was Genesis of the Daleks, which I ran out and bought (well, ordered from Amazon, bless Amazon) right after RTD said that one way his DW was so different was HE was the first to tackle questions of morality, good, right and wrong and responsibility. Gag me. (No, really, that might have been my first rant). In Genesis, the Time Lords grab the Doctor etal and throw him onto Skaro undefended with order to destroy the room in which Davros is incubating infants thingies that would become daleks. (Or his companions and he will be stranded, companions will die, yada yada, all the things Time Lords say to try to blackmail the Doctor. As Four is about to do it, he stops, two live wires connected to explosives inches apart. In that magnificent voice, in spite of low production value and not enough time for more soul-searching Terry Nation writing, he says If I kill these innocent babies, what will that make me, do I have the right to kill them now to stop them in the future. He doesn't, (I seem to remember that the time lords off and on remind him he's responsible for the deaths the daleks bring. HOWEVER, after he drops the wires, a dalek rolls over them and causes the explosion, so the Time Lords are full of crap. Of course, this adds to Nine's feelings of guilt in spite of that). I don't believe Nine did what the new Who writers imply because of that, and because Nine says in "dalek" (and elsewhere) that he tried to save the daleks as well as the others but couldn't save anyone. Nine is Four suffering the moral aftermath. If I have any DW canon (which I don't, I want to write what works for the story since I'm not paid for it) it's that.

By the way, it's very nice to meet you. :)

Re: Warning: Fourth Doctor Spoilers

Date: 2011-07-16 08:58 pm (UTC)
ext_29986: (Wicked Clever Ten (4.07))
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
wonderful to meet you too!

I recall that ep dimly... and I think I can rewatch it with my library system, yay!
I'm about halfway through Key to Time, and he hasn't taken anyone apart yet, but I do remember there being moral quandaries.

Yes, absolutely, Four is lying there on the floor, playing Chess, completely unconcerned that Romana is in the room (shuh, as if!) :D

Here is Matt from a recent mirror.co.uk:
MATT Smith has revealed Doctor Who would prefer an intelligent game of chess to a naughty romp. The current Timelord is asked if he thinks his character has ever had a passionate encounter in the Tardis on tonight’s episode of Channel 4’s Chatty Man. He tells host Alan Carr: “No. The Doc’s idea of an orgy is playing chess with an ostrich. His brain doesn’t work in that way. He would find it (sex) weird and peculiar. He finds women peculiar. He is quite asexual.”
grrrrrrrr. I mean, I guess, in a certain way, I found many of the former Doctors to be quite uninterested in sex. In my own stories, I think of Nine as pretty repressed and rather virginal ... but his attraction to Rose unleashes all that. I think having him go back to asexuality at this juncture is retrograde -- and it undercuts this relationship they're trying to build with River Song. Why should we care, if he doesn't??? I haven't seen s6 yet, but I've seen some spoilers. After key to time, we'll watch Genesis of the Daleks, and then go back and pick up some One and Two. So much fun awaits!!


Date: 2011-07-17 12:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bratflorida.livejournal.com
asdfdkl;!!! Oh my GOD...this is gorgeous and hot! Wonderfully fabulous--I'm mem'ing this forever!!!

Date: 2011-07-17 02:01 am (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose/Nine)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
thank you so much! i'm very flattered. :)

Date: 2011-07-18 04:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miranda-wave.livejournal.com
Psychic bonding. Guh. Just sayin'.

Loved it!

Date: 2011-07-18 10:08 am (UTC)
ext_29986: (Rose/Nine)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
I agree with your Guh about psychic bond. and Thanks! :)

Date: 2012-01-05 02:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xdarklostsoulx.livejournal.com
I. Love. This. It is the perfect mix of aggressive, sweet, and alien. I have a special place in my heart for nine (or as I refer to him, "big ears leather and badassery") as he is my first doctor, and there is not enough Rose/Nine fic out there for me. Its brilliant how you let the Doctor's thoughts and feelings drawn out and Rose's response. I've always loved how you see Nine become more and more dependent on Rose as a lifeline, as his rock, and I think you captured that. I've read this repeatedly.

Date: 2012-01-05 02:51 am (UTC)
ext_29986: (Nine so Wise)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
I'm so glad you like it. I love the dynamic between Rose and Nine -- I think their chemistry was fantastic, and as much as I love Ten, I don't write much about him. Nine fascinates me -- such a range of emotion -- so much torment and nobility. I LOVE HIM. :D

I have to hand it to Eccleston -- he made the part his own and brought a huge amount of skill and passion to the role. I've watched a ton of his other work, and he is truly a great actor, but for me, the Doctor may in fact be the best thing he's ever done.

I really appreciate you taking time to comment - it means a lot to me. :D

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